Barbara and Carolin Kebekus on sex
Barbara Schoeneberger: Carolin, in your program, you are telling that sometimes you totally forget that you are prominent. And then you go out on the street and think: Huh? Wat, are people watching like that? Do I have pimples or what?
Carolin Kebekus: And that's the way it is. I am not only known, but also a normal private person. Luckily. There are a lot of colleagues who are very aware of their prominence or what they think.
Barbara: Oh yeah. And they say: I can not go shopping, I can not ride a train because I am recognized immediately.
Carolin: And what do you say?
Barbara: That's nonsense. I go everywhere, and I'm not even addressed. I think normality is also an inner attitude, a decision that you make for yourself.
Carolin: That's true. When I was traveling with friends, they often say, "Whoa, people looked again today. I do not get that, honestly.
Barbara: I think it helps us both to grow up so slowly.
Carolin: Right. We could get used to it gently. But when people, shit !, are thrown from zero to one hundred in the big screen ...
Barbara: so if you have? DSDS? wins or? The Voice? ,,,
Carolin:? then it has to be really weird
Barbara: How long have you been this public person?
Carolin: This year will be 20 years ago, when I was on TV for the first time? Internship in Hürth-Kalscheuren.
Barbara: That's where my career started. But I got the 20 years already last year. Sounds monumental, right? How old are you again?
Carolin: Still 38.
Barbara: And I'm turning 45. Let's face it: the air is getting thinner.
Carolin: I just started reading a novel the other day. The first paragraph went something like this: "He passed the mirror, stopped and looked at himself. His tired look, his three-day beard, but one had to say: For his 38 years he looked very good.? And I thought again: Huh?
Barbara: What happened next?
Carolin: No idea, I put the thing directly back. I did not mind the shit. What is this picture that is behind it? Are you already in the late 30's? But for your age? Corner?
Barbara: Of course, it always depends on what perspective you see it from. As a child, for example, it is normal to think that everyone over 20 is old.
Carolin: There is something on that. At the age of eight it was also clear to me that I would have a child at the age of 20, if only to be born in 2000.
Barbara: It did not happen.
Carolin: No, when the time came, I found the view less attractive. But I also remember my father's 40th birthday and how old I found him there. Looking back, of course I have to say: what was that time for a cool pig! And that is reassuring for me.
Barbara: What exactly?
Carolin: The realization: It's not so bad, the thing about getting older.
Barbara: On the contrary. It's not like life takes place between the ages of 20 and 40. The best is yet to come, that's my feeling. I've also decided not to talk to the guests on the talk show anymore about their age. I mean, you're saying, "You're 78 now ...?
Carolin: ... and then everybody applauds and say? Ahhh !? and? Ohhh!?.
Barbara: Exactly. As if that were a feat. And I notice: Almost all 78-year-olds are kind of cool today, a lot has changed in the last 20 years. We no longer want to be asked how we, as women, get work and family under one roof. The question of age should also be banned.
Carolin: But you know, that you're questioning entire branches of industry?
Barbara: For example?
Carolin: The anti-aging empires. We are constantly told that age is not something we have to take for granted. Wrinkles? You, there you can do something. Cellulite? It does not have to be. They make us feel guilty because we have not been in the sport again and have not been good to ourselves again?
Barbara: Who are they?
Carolin: Well, you women's magazines, for example.
Barbara: But we do not do that consciously. We do not want checklists, self-optimization, stress on page 12.
Carolin: Oh, right. With you I do not have to drink five liters of water, put on this scrub in the morning and in the evening that mask?
Barbara: Purely magazine: no. If you ask me personally, we are a bit stuck in this thinking. I just feel better in one physical condition than the other, and I do that with sports and water and no alcohol and less sugar. There is already an aesthetics that is inherent in us. And that's okay too.
Carolin: And yet you are right: I am entering the better phase now. In one in which I am more at peace with myself. I do not look like 20, I know that, I definitely had the better ass. But at the age of 20, I also stood in front of the mirror and cried. And the sex?
Barbara: What about that?
Carolin: It's much better today because I know what's going on.
Barbara: Oh, I got along well with 20 already. But in my 40s a thousand times better.
Carolin: We are just more relaxed now.
Barbara: And pay attention to other things. With partners in a similar life situation. If I had to go to bed with a 22-year-old, I would probably think differently about one or the other.
Carolin: And what?
Barbara: Well. I would see myself as a kind of training ship.
Carolin: But the boys do not know what they are doing yet.
Barbara: I'm not so sure about that again. I once heard from a sex therapist that the sexually-energetically perfect mating would be an 18-year-old male with a woman over 50 years old.
Carolin: Really? How is that possible? You have to talk before, right?
Barbara: No!
Carolin: Not? Is not that also in these guidebooks that you have to clarify certain things? What you do not like, what you are talking about Dirty Talk and what not? And if I may ask: How can it be that the topic of this conversation is normal and we land so quickly in sex?
Barbara: Because it's always about it. Sex is our biggest engine, and in the end there is always the question: Do you do it or do you?
Carolin: Mostly not. Unfortunately
Barbara: How do I get from sex to your parents now?
Carolin: I would like to know that too.
Barbara: What are they doing professionally?
Carolin: Social pedagogue and banker. How so?
Barbara: Because I ask myself: Do they actually find what you are doing normally?
Carolin: Total. But they are always there since I'm on stage. Here in the area they come to every performance and make an event out of it. Bring then the miller and go eat something delicious.
Barbara: And then we are back in sex? it is often rough with you. Will your parents handle it?
Carolin: I still know how I sang in 2003 on an RTL show about ejaculate, a lot of ejaculate. And my dad sat in the front row and clapped along in rhythm.
Barbara: Great. My mother sometimes tells me: Papa and I did not like it that much. And I admit: That stops me from doing certain things.
Carolin: My parents already realize that they are watching a stage character. And for that matter, they are steeled and really tough. More difficult is it, when the neighbors come:? So, because your daughter has counted again the other day ...,? They do not like that so much.
Barbara: Are you as hard on your own as on stage?
Carolin: Rather not. Since I tap into classic female traps.
Barbara: Which?
Carolin: This eternal effort for harmony and balance. Something like: Hm, they did not like the transmitter so much that we want more money, right? Then we prefer that.
Barbara: Would not come up with men. They always say in interviews that they can do things they have no idea about. While we women say good-bye: I do not know, but I can get used to it.
Carolin: That's not the only thing that annoys me about men. Very often relativize our services. The other day a colleague has congratulated me: "Great, you're doing very well with you. Although, you were lucky too. Is not there any other woman who can compete with you? I found blatant.
Barbara: I believe it is hard for men to accept that we women gradually invade their realms and really claim our 50 percent of heaven for us.
Carolin: Well, if that's just it. Look at the #MeToo debate.
Barbara: What do you think?
Carolin: I recently had an interview in the? Stern? given to it. And in that said that I've never been a victim of sexual violence, but that I've been caught on the butt? like every woman. On Twitter then went full of the Shitstorm going on, with the tenor: Now she wants something from the cake.
Barbara: Of the cake?
Carolin: From the cake. Being sexually harassed would be a privilege, a favor shown to me. What is this picture? And what does the employee in a dealership do who is not interviewed in the? Star? but can rely on their job? The hand on the butt is often their normality. Or, in milder form, the men's scanning looks. The female body is always released for evaluation.
Barbara: #MeToo is now a little over a year old. Has that changed anything for you?
Carolin: Nice. It is talked about it differently. So far, women have always assumed a degree of complicity.As in abusive lawsuits in court asked: What did you have? Could you have behaved differently? Seriously, if I walk naked through Cologne, nobody still has the right to touch me. And I think that is so slowly. If men see that the behavior of Harvey Weinstein even has consequences for him? then they are already considering how to approach a woman.
Barbara: Although many claim that they are now completely unsure. Do not even know what else is allowed and what is not.
Carolin: What total nonsense is. Permitted is of course, which was always okay. And the other is now being talked about, and that's good. And the men do not have to worry either.
Barbara: In what way?
Carolin: I read recently that a man is more likely to be raped by a man than he is falsely accused of sexual harassment by a woman. And even with real harassment it remains difficult. Look at what happened in America in the fall: A woman was accused of being a judge nominated to the Supreme Court for molesting him as a teenager. She was believable. He bawled her live on TV. Came through. And she now lives under police protection.
Barbara: If a media publisher came to you now and the? Carolin? wanted to do with you? would it also be about such topics?
Carolin: Perhaps. But especially for practical things. Life hacks and such.
Barbara: Clean the silver with Carolin Kebekus?
Carolin: For example. But I think that would not be for me. With what I'm really interested in, you get a booklet at most every two years.
CAROLIN KEBEKUS, born in 1980, began her television career as an intern at the "Friday Night News", where producer Hugo Egon Balder released her twice a week for acting classes. They are known from various TV comedy formats. But cinema can also be Kebekus, most recently in 2017, honey, are you taking it? Especially with her very explicit and feminist stage programs is she successful? and running with "Pussy Nation" in 2019? on tour. New episodes of their WDR show "PussyTerror TV" will also be on view in May. Kebekus lives in Cologne.
